Unpublished Study Draws Ire from Minorities

Michael Shammas, Duke Chronicle, January 17, 2012

A recent Duke study examining the correlation between academic performance and race is being deemed racist by a number of students and members of the Duke community.

The officially unpublished report—”What Happens After Enrollment? An Analysis of the Time Path of Racial Differences in GPA and Major Choice”—examined how minority students close the gap in academic performance as compared to white counterparts at Duke. The research found that black students’ GPAs indeed converge eventually with those of white students, but attributed this to black students being more likely than white students to switch to less difficult majors. About 35 people protested the study Sunday, claiming that the research minimizes the achievement of black students and wrongly characterizes some humanities disciplines as easier than other majors.

The Black Student Alliance sponsored the protest following remarks by Donna Brazile, vice chair of voter registration of the Democratic National Committee, in the Duke Chapel Sunday. In a statement released by the organization Monday, BSA expressed concern about the study’s methodology and called for action.

“We reject the notion that majors in the humanities and social sciences are inherently easier and call on the University administration to do the same, publicly,” the statement said. “Furthermore, we ask the entire Duke community to stand with us against this attack on the academic achievements of all students in the humanities and social sciences and black students at this University.”

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“This study does not embody Duke’s values as an institution,” said sophomore Jacob Tobia, who attended the demonstration. “We do not stand for that type of racist inquiry and that misuse of academia to mischaracterize the accomplishments of the African-American students at our institution.”

For the purposes of the research, the investigators quantified the difficulty of certain majors based on student evaluations, measured study times, grades and grading standards. Among the “more difficult” majors were engineering, hard sciences and economics. Subjects in the humanities and social sciences were deemed less difficult.

According to the study, among students matriculating in 2001 and 2002 who initially expressed an interest in majoring in engineering, economics or the natural sciences, 54 percent of black males and 51 percent of black females ended up switching to other majors in the humanities or social sciences. By contrast, only about 8 percent of white men and 33 percent of white women switched majors.

Black students are slightly more likely than white students to express an initial interest in engineering, economics or the natural sciences—61.7 percent for blacks compared to 60.8 percent for whites—yet less than 30 percent of black students finish with a major in that realm compared to 50.5 percent of whites.

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“I was very surprised that the study received coverage given that it is unpublished,” Arcidiacono wrote in an email Sunday. “The reaction may be because others are using the study in a lawsuit against racial preferences in admissions.”

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In the report, the scholars argue that their findings undermine other studies that play down the difficulties experienced by recipients of affirmative action and legacy students by asserting that these students eventually earn the same GPAs as their white counterparts. The research found similar major-switching patterns in legacy students as well.

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“The study doesn’t say anything about what races are better at Duke or anything like that,” he said in an interview. “What it actually says is that if you take white students and black students with similar levels of academic preparation, then they leave the hard sciences and economics at the same rate,”

The reason that the gaps are so different in terms of how many people switch out is that students are coming to Duke with very different academic backgrounds, he added.

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Protesters, who held signs reading “GPA has no race” and “My major is not easy” among other statements, had an equally passionate response to the fact that some majors were quantified as less difficult than other subjects.

According to the report, self-reported assessments of course difficulty indicated that the sciences were more difficult than the humanities. Students taking courses in the natural sciences, engineering and economics earned grades that were on average 8 percent lower than courses outside those fields. Moreover, these subjects were associated with 50 percent more study time than others.

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  • Anonymous

    VIDEO BLACK AND HISPANIC MOB BREAKS SKULL AND EYE SOCKET OF WHITE 64 YR OLD DECORATED VET JUST FOR FUN IN PHILLY YESTERDAY
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  • Wmarkw

    You want to quantify cirriculum difficulty?  Compare how GPA’s change when people switch from Engineering to Psychology, and vice versa. 

    Someone challenges that humanities are easier than STEM? 
    This is just more “I don’t believe what’s in front of my eyes until an exhaustively controlled test is completed.”

    The social sciences — disputing what every sensible person has always known, until you get a large grant to “discover” it.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jessie-Peterson/100003091291263 Jessie Peterson

      At my engineering college, we were forced to take at least one humanities course a semester. I received better grades in my engineering courses, as the grading was based on answers that were either right or wrong and not based on the subjective whims of a libtarded professor who might hate my guts.

      My psychology course proved the most problematic. I would receive C’s on tests, even though my answers were identical to those of classmates who received A’s.

  • Anonymous

    If anyone disputes that social science majors are easier than STEM, they could compare GPA’s of people who change majors in each direction.

    This is just more “I don’t believe what’s in front of my eyes, until an exhaustively controlled experiment is conducted.”

    The social sciences — disputing what every sensible person knows, until given a large grant to “discover” it.

    • Anonymous

      Sorry about the double.
      Just opened a new Disqus account.

    • Anonymous

       Comparing GPA is probably not the best way to do that.

      On one hand, there are people like one of my high school valedictorians who got a 4.0 from taking mostly gym classes.

      On the other, one must consider high variability in grading standards between different professors.  Some professor’s “B” may be the equivalent to another’s “D”.

      But I do agree with you, Science, Engineering, and mathematics are the more demanding majors where you will be challenged to find a *qualified* black or Hispanic student or professional.

      On a side note, what is the “T” in STEM?

      • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

        Technology.

      • http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1097046039 REGVLVS

        One of my friends growing up (white, but not bright) took all special-needs classes in high school and gradutated with honors.

        I know of many “Hispanics” who work in engineering… Most of them are white men of towering height who say they are “Spanish” amongst friends but “Hispanic/Latino” applying for jobs and colleges (The one exception is half-Chinese).

  • Anonymous

    We’re all the same.
    All majors are the same.
    All courses are the same.
    Everything is the same and equal.
    There is no such thing as race; race is a social construct.

    We also celebrate diversity.  Each race brings new ways of doing things and  different perspectives.  Wouldn’t it be a boring world if we were all the same?  Diversity is our grestest strength.

    Oops, did I just say that?
    I’m really starting to get confused.   Let me start again.  We’re all the same . . .

    • Anonymous

      Not class though.  Class is real, not a social construct.  Green, purple, blue, black, and white people from the bottom of the socioeconomic strata will forget their thousands of years old cultural bonds and band together to oppose the evil bastard 1 percenters who have the AUDACITY to make a dollar.  They’ll do this from their squatters camps, if they can take a break from drumming and shouting meaningless slogans at each other.

      (sarcasm off)

    • Anonymous

      It’s called Orwellian doublethink. It is “the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.” Wikipedia

       Be careful, you are starting to think like a liberal. :-)

      Liberalism is a mental disorder.
      Michael Savage

      • Anonymous

        Cognitive dissonance.  And there’s plenty of that around.

    • http://6th-resurrection.myopenid.com/ BLACK HAT

      Thus, propaganda.

      If you take race into consideration, you are a racists.
      If you don’t take race into consideration, you are a racists.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E46TDN3G66VZDQGGD5KHXQUBZQ B

    So now it is also politically incorrect to say that all college majors are not equal. The insantiy never ends.

  • Anonymous

    If the truth be told, there are somewhat less-than-rigorous STEM majors – ever hear of the Environmental Science major? Also, the Humanities are not uniformly easy – ever try to learn Ancient Greek?
    Then again, I am sure there are very few minorities who are Classics majors.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-McNeal/100000151577164 John McNeal

      Ya think?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ND3E6JLJA5TC6MSBKNICRXPFFA Derek

    I was a history major in college and worked as a TA in grad school.  While grading papers I noticed how the engineering and science majors had a hard time writing essays.  They seemed to have a hard time with abstract thought.  To scientifically minded people , there must be a concrete, definitive conclusion to a problem, not a grey area where opinion is considered.  Conversely, I had a little trouble in my math and science classes, but aced all my history exams.  What does this have to do with the story?  I’m not sure, but I’m not suggesting the humanities aren’t easier than the sciences.  They are.  But the aptitude of the individual matters when choosing a major.  And, the races are clearly not equal when it comes to aptitude.  

    • Integration Anxiety

      I have to agree on that account. I also took psychology at a local JuCo here in NE Ohio. By personality I am much better at creating an opinion and forming well written and cognitive sentences to make a point. Or simply to defend an argument. I also remember taking Calculus and advanced Physics, and Biology. Those classes took up much more of my study time because of complex numerical formulas. But I also got the most satisfaction from those classes, even when getting a C on a test. But this goes beyond race. Those majors w/in the sciences and mathematics are overwhelmingly represented by people with higher average IQs. While there are lots of Whites in those fields, let us not forget about all the Whites wasting away from not trying another field in college if they can’t succeed as engineers. They shouldn’t let their pride stand in the way of making something out of their talents. We can’t all be Carl Sagan, or Stephen Hawking. The world needs real journalists ( now more than ever) and CNC machinists, as well as QC inspectors and city planners as well.

  • Anonymous

    I grew up in a Black neighborhood and went to Black schools from K-5th grade.  I got my first job in a supermarket in a Black neighborhood.  Living among them I learned it was undeniable that many are good people.  I also learned they are socially and intellectually inferior to us as a group.  There is no other explanation for the things I’ve seen in my life, things you simply don’t see in White neighborhoods, no matter how poor.

    I didn’t reach these conclusions with malice in my heart; I tried to maintain multicultural friendships for years afterward but one by one they dwindled as I became increasingly unwilling to bite my tongue around nonsense, until eventually the few that remained were people who think much like we do.

    But it took an article much like this one to open my eyes completely.  I saw that the article was more concerned with feelings than truth.

    It was that day, when I realized political correctness trumps truth, that I became a race realist.

    • Anonymous

      Amen to all of it.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E46TDN3G66VZDQGGD5KHXQUBZQ B

      I have been the victim of predatory crime three times in my life – car stolen, home invasion and a mugging. All were done by blacks. It was easy for me to see the truth about race after these events even though I was thoroughly brainwashed in school about racial equality. Make no mistake about it, crime is the wedge that divides us. Racial bias has nothing at all to do with skin color and this is why things will never improve. Nobody can make blacks as a group more civilized, they must do that themselves.

  • http://www.facebook.com/crystalevans54 Crystal Evans

    This is crazy! Everyone knows that majors in the liberal arts and social sciences are easier than majors in business, computer science or engineering, which require above average ability in math to complete the degree program.

    • Anonymous

      The social sciences themselves have become highly quantitative, requiring a level of sophistication in modeling and analysis that elude most people.  

    • Anonymous

      I suppose that’s true. However I believe that people (white people) are born with different aptitudes.  I have a considerably better than average IQ. I majored in English in college because I love literature. I had to take some science classes for my requirements and struggled to make myself study because I found it boring. I was lucky I had help from my father who was a professor of Biology at the university I attended. I found my program non to rigorous probably because I loved it. One must be a good writer and know how to bullshit to get good grades in English. I was a master. :)

    • http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1097046039 REGVLVS

      NOT true anymore. “Business” programs are the easy path in many colleges today and are often the majors that athletes are directed towards.

      Liberal-Arts were once more rigorous but it is much easier to dumb-down a LA curriculum than an engineering one. Still, many aspects (such as linguistic studies) remain highly complex.

  • Anonymous

    How exactly do the humanities or social sciences prepare you for a career? Unless you plan to work for the government, humanities and social sciences are useless majors. They are just in place to indoctrinate students into the Marxist anti white ideology. It is most certainly easier. There would be an even bigger gap between whites and blacks if these classes that study nonsense did not exist.

  • Anonymous

    I started as an Architecture major….ALL white.  The engineering classes very difficult. Changed to Advertising major….some blacks.  And yes, Advertising was easier.  Went to graduate school as an education major which was even easier….even more blacks.   I was at the top of the class and did almost nothing to get there.

    This article is right on the money.

    If I had it to do over, I would major in Biology!

  • Anonymous

    Face it!  Through music and drugs white youth have been negrified and can no longer perform much better than blacks.

    • Anonymous

      I would not limit that to the youth. I see too many whites in general…over weight, uneducated and apathetic. I blame television, pop culture and alcohol/drug abuse. I also blame laziness. We should be uniting and voraciously fighting for our rights. Many would rather waddle around Costco buying cases of alcohol and then vegetate in front of the TV.  I’m not judging, I used to pass out drunk in front of the TV every weekend…Ive kicked that to the curb though.  It’s time for all of us to become warriors. 

    • Anonymous

      This is absolutely true in some cases but I believe it was the White kids from yesteryear that suffered from it worse than today. Back in the 90′s when gangsta rap was prevalent and on the radio, those kids tried hard to be ALL things black. Today they were either able to finally get over themselves and become productive or you still see grown men in their 30′s running around with their pants hanging off and big numbered jersies doing much of the same things they did back then, worthless.
      White kids of today seem to meld hip hop, variations of rock n roll, and at least here in the south some country into their musical choices, and I believe are no longer being fooled by the black myth, at least not the ones with brains….then there are always the ones that think a heavy bass beat can turn them from small and scrawny into 10′ tall and bulletproof.

  • Anonymous

    The truth may be ugly, but it is never racist.

  • http://escapingmediocrity.wordpress.com Natassia

    Well, the Black Student Alliance has shown themselves to be a bunch of morons.

    OF COURSE, social “sciences” and humanities are easier than engineering, hard sciences, and economics. Why do you think more women are in those majors?

    Oops. I think I was racist AND sexist right there.

    Maybe the truth is racist and sexist.

  • http://escapingmediocrity.wordpress.com Natassia

    Sociology is mostly vocabulary.

  • Anonymous

     do they still  find time to study between randomly attacking elderly white citizens for sport in city centers everywhere?

  • Anonymous

    The copyright protection for the 11th edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica (1910) was recently lifted. Volume 19, page 344 begins the entry for the “Negro”. It is very interesting that nothing has really changed concerning what we know now and what was known then but to read the words of learned men and intellectuals of old is a great experience.
    This link will take you to the beginning of the entry and audio read is optional in the upper right hand corner, enjoy!

    The Encyclopaedia Britannica : a dictionary of …

    • Anonymous

      Great tip.  It’s amazing how much is/was known and how little curiosity there is amongst the left on this subject.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, since colleges have decided that since blacks as a group must be as smart as whites as a group, there must be a body of “black knowledge” that most whites don’t understand.  The purpose of many humanities electives is to require a white to have a 120 IQ to accept what a black does at 90.

  • Anonymous

    I like the way the headline reads “minorities” but in reality it is only blacks who are angry at the findings of the study.

  • http://twitter.com/NSALParty NSALP

    Until Jewish influence is dissolved in the United States nothing will ever change.

  • Anonymous

    So long as the issue is framed as an achievement “gap,” no set of policies to mitigate that gap will have any significant long-term effect.  The gap in educational outcomes is explained by native intelligence and character, both of which blacks lack relative to whites.

  • William

    The protestors may have a point, but not one that they intend. If you lack the basic intellect to be in college, all majors may seem equally difficult.

  • Joe Burns

    Shhhhh…that suppose to be a secret. Hey, we all know this; this is not really news.

    Political correctness and fear of what Black people will think (if someone utters the truth) will always rule the day.

  • http://6th-resurrection.myopenid.com/ BLACK HAT

    the “Black Student Alliance” of Duke University  obviously had a comment or two. What did the Duke University White Student Alliance have to say?

  • WR the elder

    It takes a lefty in a humanities department to claim that a course called “Gender Stereotyping in Contemporary Media” is going to be just as difficult as “Quantum Chemistry”.

    • Anonymous

      It would be for me.
      But the course isn’t designed for me to pass it.

  • http://twitter.com/comcontrarian com contrarian

    Note the egalitarian phrase “academic preparation” rather than “academic aptitude” or “high grades.”  Academically-prepared simply means you have sat through lots of high school papers and got a passing grade. It doesn’t mean you  have high-level academic ability.

    Personally I don’t think it’s ethical to let students into university if they haven’t achieved high grades at high school. The job market for degree-relevant work is tight and students who get low grades simply aren’t going to get degree-related work, and will end up in lower-paid work with a big debt to pay off.

    I wish some of them would try to sue their universities for letting them into college without the necessary grades or aptitude, the same way employees sue their bosses if they get hurt performing tasks they haven’t been trained for.

  • Anonymous

    Reading the above comments, a question occurs to me – why are science students required to take a humanity/social course as part of their degree?. I studied for a combined science degree at Staffordshire University (UK), and all of my courses were science – and I’ve not heard of any mandatory humanity/social courses being introduced to UK universities…YET (because what happens over there always seems to eventually happen over here). The only answer I can think of to my question is liberal professors wanting to shove their socialist ideology down the throats of ALL students…none must get away without being indoctrinated – which more or less confirms my suspicion that certain Uni Profs couldn’t give a damn about REAL education, just political indoctrination. 

    • Anonymous

      The official reason is to create a well-rounded individual. 
      I agree with requiring every student to have taken SOME class in all the basic disciplines.

      But the number and breadth of humanities requirements today is probably driven by a variation on what you’re saying.  Humanities degrees don’t pay off, except for those who get teaching jobs.  So it’s real easy for humanities majors to believe that society doesn’t distribute its rewards fairly.

      I  bet you’d find a real strong inverse correlation between the political liberalism of professors, and the average starting salary of graduates in their field.

    • Burke Mk II

      As it happens, one of the worst examples of race-denying profs in the UK, Ellis Cashmore, is at Staffordshire U. He’s a real rentaquote colour-blind liberal goof. He’s a sociologist, the archetypal soft science and resort for whiners and grievance-huggers.

  • http://escapingmediocrity.wordpress.com Natassia

    I have. :)

    But, my point is that all Sociology is IS vocabulary.

  • http://escapingmediocrity.wordpress.com Natassia

    Just requires memorization and plagiarism.

  • Guest02906

    It’s certainly true that different fields require different aptitudes (engineering vs. psychology, for example), and that not everyone can excel in everything.

    On the other hand, I have *never* heard anyone say “I started out in psychology…it was too hard, switched to business…still too hard, then finally settled on an easy major like electrical engineering.”  

    I have heard some variation of the opposite progression pretty frequently.

  • anonymous

    Doctors and Med students generally think of Anatomy class as easy, in that it involves some necessary and time-consuming memorization, but not a lot of complex thought or analysis.

  • Anonymous

    I never went to college, but I did go to a vocational school after I graduated from high school back in 1991.  I was the only White student in the course, at least up until the last few weeks (but the only White in the December 1991 graduating class).  All the other students were black.

    I never had a problem with my classmates (most of them were older women) and even joked around with them at school.  But I was told that I was the first one ever to graduate from that course with an A average (I had a 3.9).  Funny thing is, back then, I simply thought it was because I was fresh from high school.  Looking back, I know the reason why.

    I did feel a bit sorry for this one woman, I think she was in her 50s or 60s back then…it seemed like try as she might, there were some things she couldn’t quite grasp, and I did help her.

  • http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1097046039 REGVLVS

    How about DeShawn Timmons studying “Housing”.